The New York Times has done a real public service. It has printed an extraordinary interview with president Trump that begins on the front page. The interview was lightly edited for length and to provide confidentiality for discussions that were off the record. The interview with four NY Times reporters took place over two plus hours and occurred on January 11, 2026. The final story contained 23,000 words and scores of questions.
Despite the editing for length the story is a long read. But it should be read by everybody.
The subjects that came up for discussion included Trump’s view of his powers as commander-in-chief, the fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis, immigration, Venezuela, the war in Ukraine, Greenland, NATO, Trump’s health and possible plans for additional White House renovations.
It did not cover the recent opening of a criminal investigation of Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, probably because that news came out after the interview was conducted.
First Impressions
It became increasingly clear as the interview progressed that Donald J Trump accepted, albeit unknowingly, some key premises of progressive ideology. From the remarks he made to policy decisions he defended he displayed a collectivist philosophical bent although he is probably unaware of it.
As usual Trump spoke in the vernacular. His grammar was atrocious and he routinely misstated facts. For instance, of NATO he said “…They raised their G.D.P. to 5 percent from 2 percent. They didn’t pay the 2 percent, then they pay the 5 percent.” What he was actually referencing was the percentage of their GDP that our NATO allies promised to pay for defense—not actual GDP. By the way, don’t hold your breath waiting for 5% to actually be spent.
Trump’s Underlying Philosophical Leaning
In the discussion that focused on Venezuela David Sanger (of the Times) brought up the whole subject of international law and asked Trump whether or not he had effectively given either Russia or China a pass on aggression. The planted axiom of course being that either of those parties are constrained by international law rather than Western Power. Then Katie Rogers of the Times asked “Do you see any checks on your power on the world stage? Is there anything that could stop you if you wanted to?
Trump’s answer was truly remarkable. In it he demonstrated that he was in agreement with a core tenet of progressivism. He replied “Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me, and that’s very good.”
At that point a reporter named Zolan Kanno-Youngs asks “Not international law?” Trump’s response: “I don’t need international law.”
Here he is crystal clear about what he really believes: his omniscience. He will abide no external constraints. The only thing that matters to him is what he wants when he wants it. And what he wants is, by definition, good. Also note that his view of law is purely instrumental. He doesn’t dispute or discuss the idea of law; his sole reference at that point is whether he can use it.
Question: How is he any different from Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or Zohran Kwame Mamdani or any of that lot? For them and for Trump it is quite clear. They are of the opinion that law is merely a tool to be used. But it should not be used to constrain them.
For instance, along with Senator Sanders (ME-Democratic Socialist) and Josh Hawley (MO-R), Trump wants to cap interest rates on credit cards. Not only that: He has ordered Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae to buy $200 billion in mortgages in an attempt to lower mortgage rates. He has taken stakes in American companies for a share of the revenue. He claims he will forbid defense contractors from paying dividends or buying back stock. He has used his leverage over Medicare to fix prices. He has intimated that Exxon will be excluded from Venezuela because its CEO said that the country is “univestable”.
And to top it off, his Justice Department has launched a criminal investigation of Fed Chair Jerome Powell, although it is unclear whether Trump himself had anything to do with it. This whole fiasco calls to mind a remark made by Henry Kissinger during the Watergate saga. Kissinger is reported to have said something to the effect that “some damn fool did what the president wanted.”
The list of horribles goes on, seemingly endlessly. If a Democratic president were to launch any of these initiatives, the Republicans would be screaming socialism from the rooftops. And essentially they would be right. The fact that the label after the name says Republican doesn’t alter that.
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Central Planning vs. Inherent Rights
In the words of Richard Nixon, we are all central planners now. And the tools that central planners have always used are getting a full workout. State coercion, the abegnation of individual rights, the denial of individual dignity, the destruction of due process, are on full display. The State reigns supreme.
Parenthetically we should note however that language matters. The Bill of Rights is phrased in the negative. “Congress shall pass no law…”. There was a reason for that treatment. The rights encapsulated in the Bill of Rights were thought to inhere to the individual, not the State. Hence Congress shall pass no law.
While the US Constitution laid out the mechanics of the divisions of power, rights and responsibilities, it was the Declaration of Independence that provided the philosophical basis for it. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness…”
But that idea has gone right out the window. Rights are phrased as positives and are simply a matter of convenience—for the central planners. You have a “right” to decent housing, to a basic income, to health care etc. Which, by definition gives central planners the coercive power to extract resources and then to redistribute them. This, of course, gives central planners a powerful incentive to continually extract and redistribute those resources to those deemed worthy of state largesse. Which tends to be voting blocs that turn out in force on election days. Which is also why we have managed to accumulate $30 trillion worth of public debt.
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Trump the Mercantilist
With that in mind, let’s talk about Greenland. After pointing out that we could reopen 16 of our our military bases there, David Sanger asked president Trump why it was important for the US to own Greenland.
David E. Sanger
“Why is ownership important here?”
President Trump
“Because that’s what I feel is psychologically needed for success. I think that ownership gives you a thing that you can’t do, whether you’re talking about a lease or a treaty. Ownership gives you things and elements that you can’t get from just signing a document, that you can have a base.”
At that point Katie Rogers asks a piercing, perhaps the piercing question.
Katie Rogers
“Psychologically important to you or to the United States?”
President Trump
“Psychologically important for me. Now, maybe another president would feel differently, but so far I’ve been right about everything.”
Then Trump was asked about the use of force to acquire Greenland. His answer: “Yeah, I wouldn’t comment on that. I don’t think it’ll be necessary.”
When pressed by David Sanger he replied:
“It’s possible, if I needed it. It might upset NATO. Look, we spend a lot of money on NATO. You know a lot of people don’t think NATO is to our benefit. We’re out there fighting with Russia, stopping Ukraine from being decimated and all of the things that we do — spend a lot of money. It’s thousands of miles away. We have a big ocean in between us. We’re helping Europe, but we spend a tremendous amount of money on NATO and frankly, you know, other than the fact that I get along — I get along with virtually every leader really well, and they wouldn’t have done that.”
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Trump, Democratic Legitimacy and the Rule of Law
After a while the reporter Zolan Kanno-Youngs asks him if judges have the authority to prevent him from what he wants to do with respect to domestic policy.
Trump gives an answer that Oliver Wendell Holmes could be proud of. Wendell Holmes, a man enamored with the idea of the popular will said that “I will give the people what they want if it takes me to hell.”
Trump frames his answer to the Kanno-Youngs question with respect to the will of the people, not the protection of individual rights. Responding to the question of whether judges have the authority to restrain him, Trump says:
“Well, I think they do under certain circumstances, but I think I have the right to. You know, I was elected on law and order, among other things. The border, law and order, the strong military — all the things that I’m doing a really good job of.”
So, once again Trump displays his progressive bona fides. For the moment leave aside the narcissism (“I’m doing a really good job”) and note his assertion that he is following the popular will. He claims he was elected on a law and order platform and so therefore “the people” have given him legitimacy. In true progressive fashion, his legitimacy comes from following the will of the people.
Which is to say mob rule. There is no room for any countervailing power. There is no brooking of dissent. There is no room for individuals because the State, or better yet it’s maximum leader, is all important.
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Trump On Prices
President Trump, like most presidents and virtually all progressives, is terrified of prices freely negotiated by free people in free markets. Here he is on drug prices.
“I’m lowering the drug prices. I’m lowering the drug prices down to what the lowest price anywhere in the world is, so that we won’t be paying the highest prices. We’ll be paying the equivalent of the lowest prices. And this is something that people can’t believe this happened, because depending on the way you want to do your math, it could be thousands of a percent, or it could be 90 percent or 80 percent. It’s called “most favored nation.” So you take the nation that’s the lowest, the absolute lowest in the whole world — that’s what we’re paying. And no nation agreed to it.”
And I called the nations, and I said to the prime ministers and presidents, “You have to do it.”
Ignoring the bravado for a moment, what he is really talking about is that other countries subsidize drug prices through their government run health care systems, which by the way, are going broke. So while they avoid, for now, paying higher drug prices they simply pay higher taxes instead and have less choice and less innovation in health care.
Right from the Bernie Sanders playbook.
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On Taking Stakes in US Firms
In keeping with his view that his powers are unconstrained, Trump bragged about his deals with Intel and Nvidia. In return for allowing certain chips to be sold into China, the US Government receives a 25% cut of the revenue. The US Government also got a 10% stake in the equity of Intel.
Here is part of the conversation with David Sanger about those deals.
David E. Sanger
Would the old Republican Party have done that? I mean —
President Trump
The old establishment, no.
David E. Sanger
That would’ve sounded a little bit like state socialism to them, right?
President Trump
Yeah, would they have done that? No, because they were stupid. OK, we have a number of deals that are going through right now. I say the United States should be entitled to a piece of those deals, because without the United States, those deals couldn’t be done.
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Zohran Kwame Mamdani, the new mayor of New York City, who ran and was elected as a Democratic Socialist, couldn’t have said it better.
JFB

